War from the Lawn Chair: Day Two Point Five
Well, we’re halfway through the second day of this war, and wow. A portion of DoA entered the frey, and set out to make a name for themselves by chest beating in the halls of the RBC (don’t forget who predicted it, although I did jack up the side they were coming in to support). Two hundred and twenty-five holy waters. Great. Who’s dead? Noone yet? Oh.
My next observation. Apparently, the editorials being brought forth by this paper are considered rather controversial in nature. Fine. As they say, opinions are like assholes, but it might be a wiser choice to spend a bit more time strategizing about things for us to put IN the paper rather than bitching about what is there. Just a thought.
Moving right along, ladypeacek made a rather silent statement when she severed Sartori D’Dary and took Hesu as her sire. She had requested the severance soon after reading about her newest sibling in the city’s other paper. Hmm.
As I take a minute to look across the newest Grimoire poll, it seems that city truly believes that the winner of this war will be…well, noone that is currently fighting in it. At the time of this writing, 38 votes have been cast and 21% have voted for HoH/Cap/CoB and friends in its various incarnations. Twenty-six percent of the vote has gone to the opposing side. Forty percent of the vote? The Unholy Alliance. The Donkey currently holds 11% of the vote, but don’t count him out. He is the epitome of silent aggression.
Well, since there hasn’t been a zero taken on either side of this battle yet, and my ass is getting a bit cramped from this lawn chair, I figure it’s as good a time as any to dig deep into the recesses of my mind and think about the implications of this war a little bit. What does this mean, really? Usually, when a side starts a battle, they feel they have a fairly decent shot of winning it. But as rumor has it…oh what the hell…who am I kidding…fact has it, a certain clan has been knocking on some doors for some assistance. Are they attempting to go for the jugular? Scraping for help because a few talked bigger then they threw? Who knows.
The fact remains that as the aggressors, the House of Heorot, Capadocious Clan, and Church of Blood are in the proof position. If they don’t win, their reputation within the city will be eaten alive. Anyone remember the last clan to start a war and get stomped? The old Seraphim is still considered a laughing stock due to their misguided judgement and that label still follows several of the key participants of that battle to this day. The bottom line is this. After HoH surrendered to the Dark Alliance (including The Inner Circle) a few years ago, losing again in their next large aggressive stand will go a long way towards burning their reputation to the ground. AQelDroma, your back is against the wall. Show us what you have, Baby.
And if the aggressors are successful? Then the city will look upon the group as able to finish a task they start and those citizens of the city that would like nothing better than to see What The’s head on a pike will smile. Beyond that, what does it mean? What will it do, and more importantly, will it actually make the aggressors look worse for bring in a fourth clan?
On the other hand, you have the Inner Circle, Yggdrasil, and the Empty Spiral playing the role of the defenders in this battle. They, quite honestly, don’t have to prove a thing. That’s the beauty of being on the defense. You don’t even have to beat your chest if you win…you just earn the “Don’t mess with them” label. If you lose? You lost fighting in defense of your attacked bretheren and get to cash in on that kick ass martyr thing. So, in reality, win or lose…you win. The only thing left to be determined is which way.
In other news, I sent my friends war care packages of baby wipes and skoal, but I have yet to see any of these items being utilized from my lawn chair view. What gives, guys? This is a display of caring. I guess I didn’t include enough chocolate.
Well, that does it for me and my portion of the daily lawn chair report. Like always, I’ll be here giving you any news as I get it and giving you a dose of my opinion whether you like it or not. Don’t like it? Go to the other paper.
Comments
CBK
Your definition of bitching is rather illogical. A point was argued, rather civilly may I add, and you call that bitching? Does that mean that anybody who opposes what you have to say is bitching? Whether we win or lose, we have still proven a point. The point is that we don’t have to be huge favourites in order to fight a war. Live or die, we will fight because that’s what we do and we will continue doing it. Everybody whines about how the city is dying and then when someone starts a war knowing that it will be a close battle, all of a sudden they are chastised? And what’s wrong with either of sides vying for allies? Mind you nobody says anything when members of Virtus Soliditas are recruited for the sole reason for Holy Watering AQeldroma, or when members of The Arcana are recruiting allies for Yggdrasil, or when members of Yggdrasil themselves are approaching clans like Scions of Phoenix days before the war even began. And by the way, anything we had to prove we had proven a long time ago.
Seyda
If anything you’ve had to prove has already been proven, why did you just spend a significant period of time defending yourself?
Thank you and good night, Sir.
CBK
What we had to prove on the battlefield has already been proven.
When you talk about matters that have nothing to do with our fighting ability, and with much bias at that, I will certainly defend myself. To you too madam.
Seyda
Well, you know what they say about those who feel the uncontrollable need to defend themselves….
CBK
I would not have to defend anything if you just stuck to the facts. But of course, anybody can say as they damn well please and say it is an Editorial. Thanks for your reply though.
Lady Ophy
Mind you CBK, my clan does not recruit only for the purpose of joining a battle, my members have joined months ago when this war wasn’t at our doorstep. Also my apprentices are not fighting, only the fully powered are. Someone is twisting the truth as always.
~Lady Ophy aka oOPHYy Virtus Sodalitas
Aneres
“Virtus Soliditas are recruited”
VS does not recruit. The clan was brought up to me by my sister for a few reasons. I joined a very long time ago. We wasn’t around to HW AQeldroma. Wars come and go don’t they, clan against clan, whatever it maybe.
Aneres
gittelbug
Why must Virtus Sodalitas come under such attacks? We are a clan just like any other and fight in our wars just like any other. VS did not recruit nor do we fight for the sole purpose of HWing one vampire. Can we not let war be war? -gittelbug
CBK
What are you talking about? I never said your clan was recruiting members for war, I said your clan was the one being recruited. Also, I never mentioned who from your clan was fighting so I do not know why you feel the need to explain yourself to me. You should be explaining yourself to your own family.
Lady Ophy
I did misread recruited for recruiting. Sorry about that. But to correct you, I went forward long ago and offered to join this war, we were not recruited.
oOPHYy Virtus Sodalitas
ophelia
To add a bit of clarification to the ‘observations’ of CBK.
The Lady oOphy covered what you had to say about her clan bows to her
Arcana: Well if you want to call it that but the smarter choice would be perhaps they are actually speaking for themselves first and foremost, as they ponder stepping into a war with one of their Allies.
As for The Scions of Phoenix….blinks that one throws me. Perhaps a representative of the Scions of Phoenix would like to contact NiF or myself to further expand on that one. Most especially since I have not spoken to any of their members since the last time Murzz and I spoke. And at that time, it was not a conversation that I had a hand in even remotely instigating, but rather that he was sent to me for clarification by another, not of our clan.
Yggdrasil has yet to request aid from any clan outside their alliances, nor have we requested others to do so for us.
I hope that clears up any of your confusion. bows Have a lovely evening.
ophela Lokason NiF’s Eternally Yggdrasil
CBK
Maybe members of Arcana were not recruiting on your behalf, but they were recruiting nonetheless. And maybe VS was not recruited either but they have joined the war nonetheless. And maybe you have not recruited various members of your blood line that are not in your clan, but they are fighting nonetheless. So how exactly they got there is not of the biggest significance. The fact that they are there and fighting is. So it is not exactly Ygg, TIC and ES against HoH, Caps, Hells Angels and CoB, its actually Ygg, TIC, ES, VS and “friends” aganst HoH, Caps, Hells Angels and CoB. Again I do not think there is anything wrong with that, but it puts things into better perspective. I do apologize for implying that Arcana has been recruiting on your behalf and that you had recruited VS though, that is my mistake. Bow in return You as well.
Ravana
Yes, CBK, isn’t it odd how the innocent victims of naked aggression receive more free and willing offers of support than the instigator of the violence? And as for choosing an even fight, history shows that it’s either a case of poor strategy or poor intelligence - which is it in your case?. Perhaps you should factor in the support given by those opposed to your vicious but ineffective bullying, both within the target clans and elsewhere, when doing your order of battle calculations in future?
Ravana Yggdrasil
Seyda
CBK, I find it interesting that you’re spending so much energy on my editorial during the exact time span that three of your allies were zeroed. Perhaps a review of your priorities should be in order, because if I was said ally, I wouldn’t be the most thrilled right about now…
aqeldroma
Ravana, that is utter bullshit if you knew anything about the history of the city. I suggest you review the four years of aggression, filled with stories of folks who were “too afraid” to come to someone’s defense, and revise your pretty speech.
The House has always chosen an even fight when we’ve had the chance. Simply put, they are more fun.
This war was BEGUN from bullying and betrayal, yes, but it was never stemming from US.
-AQelDroma Queen of Heorot wife of Capadocious
CBK
Funny how you admit that this is an even fight, yet you call us bullies. Seems like you don’t know what being a bully means.
bul·ly1 /ˈbÊŠli/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[bool-ee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, plural -lies, verb, -lied, -ly·ing, adjective, interjection ‘noun a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people.
Now, “innocent victims of naked aggression”, “instigators of violence”… Tell me something Ravana, are you a human or a vampire?
CBK
Do not worry about me, I have time for both. And this does not expand that much energy either. Now as far as my allies are concerned, they were helped for as long as possible… but there is only so much help you can provide to someone who is “asleep”. Thanks though, for changing the topic, and once again making assumptions and implying things you no nothing of.
OOC: Asleep meaning their human not being at the computer.
Seyda
Changing the topic? My editorial and your commenting on it is the topic. Seriously, I think you need to go lay down. I’m afraid your brain is about to explode.
Ravana
I challenge that definition: I would suggest that a bully is a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates THOSE HE PERCEIVES TO BE smaller or weaker. There is plenty of evidence, anecdotal and otherwise, of bullies harrassing those who are seemingly weaker only to get taught a lesson.
It is to the infinite credit of those clans resisting you, that they have mounted such a sterling defence against such superior numbers. It’s only an even fight on account of the prowess of our warriors in battle.
In answer to your final question, I am neither human nor truly vampire. However, with respect to my choice of words, in time of war I would be abrogating my duty if I chose them to make you look good.
Incidentally, I find incessant quoting of the dictionary the last refuge of the witless - it merely serves to prove that the person must rely on the knowledge and opinion of others to get their point across. If you can’t do it in your own words, save your breath.
Your servant, Ravana
Ravana, Yggdrasil
Hesu
I quoted from the dictionary you rapscallion!!!
rap·scal·lion /ræpˈskælyÉ™n/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rap-skal-yuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation ‘noun a rascal; rogue; scamp.
I owe you an eye poke BIG time for THAT one!!!
Hesu Sanctuary of Immortal Enlightenment Enforcers of Enlightenment Training Ground Institute Childer of Roadie shadowsshades Yeah Lucius is my big bro..what about it?
Seyda
I was SO waiting for that reply….
CBK
You are challenging an established definition? That says everything… But just to be “nice” I will give you a chance to shut me up once and for all. Point out to me ONE place, just ONE place, where anybody from my clan said that this war would be easy or where we called our opponents weak and I will not make another reply on this board. Otherwise, shut up.
CBK
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? But if you still feel like giving me a poke you know where to find me. Wink
CBK
I replied to the subject in your editorial sticking to the original topic of the editorial. You, decided to change the topic while failing to answer any of the points I have made in the previous reply to you, which you are once again doing. So, first you decide to take a jab at me by saying how I am a bad ally, something you have no knowledge of. Then, you tell me to lay down because I have pointed out that you have went off on a tangent that has nothing to do with the original topic. What’s next?
Pandrora
@Seyda: What is the harm in one defending themselves? According to your view it seems if one doesn’t defend themselves then they agree with your opinion, yet if they do defend themselves they are trying to spin the truth or something. What do you suggest would be a more appropriate way to point out disagreements with your editorial?
Also, perhaps you should ask said allies how thrilled they were with our aid last night? I am not questioning that if you were in said situation you might be somewhat more high-maintenance, merely stating that they may possibly disagree with your analysis.
@oOPHYy: I have never had any personal issues with you prior, yet for some reason you seem to have this animosity towards Heorot. I had considered your clan to be just and honorable, yet now I am starting to believe that the sign outside your clan talking about honor, empathy and “peaceful dealings” may now be a bit deceiving. I wonder when you will tell your “apprentices” that they are defending those whom they consider to be enemies against those who they don’t.
@Ravana: We have never met, and for all I know you may very well have an excellent track record for reading other’s intentions and perceptions. However, this is not one of those times. I, for one, think a fight is more interesting if you actually have to try to best your opponent, or even if you think the opponent is stronger but fight to prove a point or prove that you still can.
-Pandrora Regent of Heorot $.03 :p
CBK
I NEVER said that VS recruited members, but that the clan itself was recruited for this war. This was an assumption on my part and for that I apologize. Now if anybody that is a member of VS can tell me what they are fighting for in this war I will give them a shinny prize! And I never said wars do not come and go. I just wonder why it is that you decide to attack a clan who has members that are a part of your own blood line. And members on our side are being called minions. Lovely.
Seyda
Pandrora, the misconception that I am claiming that noone can defend themselves is erroneous. What I asked is if someone makes the claim that they have nothing left to prove, then why are they wasting time defending themselves? If you have proven yourself already, then your past should speak for you. Because of that, it shouldn’t matter what some schmuck at a paper is pulling out of her ass. If the proof is already there, my words and opinions would mean nothing, and as a result, what I’m saying wouldn’t be garnering such a reaction. Why? Because if you’ve already proven yourself, then you won’t feel the NEED to defend yourself in response to an editorial by an uninvolved smartass. But, the fact that this point was missed coupled with the fact that the issue has been turned into standing up for defense versus editorials shows me that there is doubt regarding the proof previously claimed.
You either have nothing to prove or something. If you truly have nothing, my editorials will be nothing but words on a page to be shrugged off as insane ramblings by someone who isn’t involved. You wouldn’t care what I’m saying, and you most certainly wouldn’t be telling me to go check with your allies to PROVE that they aren’t unhappy. If they are happy, that is a beautiful thing and so it shouldn’t matter what I’m saying. If you have nothing to prove, that is.
Pandrora
This is true, however what you’re missing is that while there are some who will shrug and take your words with a grain of salt, there are also some who believe what you say to be absolute truth… simply because they have nothing else to go on.
In this case having “something to prove” is inconsequential, and I feel that it is my duty as an informed consumer of your newspaper to make sure that your adoring public sees multiple sides to this and can draw their own conclusions ;)
CBK
You are wrong in that regard. While we know that something you have stated is not true, an average reader of this newspaper has no idea of what is actually going on, and… Gasp They may actually take your words at face value. Therefore, I will continue correcting any misconceptions that may influence the opinion of the public in an innacurate way.
And, please do not tell me you do not go out of your way to prove a point when someone slanders you. So if you do the same thing, why question when someone else does it?
Pandrora
I wonder if this shiny prize is a boot from the Kingdom? I already gave them that, and they didn’t even have to bother with pesky little things like finding out who they’re attacking and other such nonsense.
Aneres, I had hoped that you at least had enough respect for your sister to leave the group that you were welcomed into under false pretenses. Apparently I was wrong, though somehow not surprised.
Seyda
Well, most vampires with a brain will see that when something is tagged editorial, it will contain the opinions of the writer, and so rather than being the gospel shouted from the mountaintop, is merely the world as the writer sees it. Considering that through out the entire writing, I remind folks of the fact that my editorials are based on whatever my brain comes up with at the time, the fact that you can only see what is being said rather than the context it is said in is rather interesting.
To continue, for the past week, I have been nothing BUT slandered publically. If you feel that in the past week I’ve gone out of the way to clear my name, then SHOW ME. You will see that I have not and why is that? Because in that situation, I don’t have anything to PROVE.
Now, it’s after 3pm…don’t you have a war conference to be attending?
Seyda
I get it now.
Because YOU don’t like what I’m saying and you feel the need to defend yourself, I have to reply and then defend MYSELF in regards to each of the points that YOU want defended.
Um, no. My editorial is my opinion, and I don’t feel the need to defend what I said to you. If you don’t like my opinion, don’t read it. Simple as.
Damari
Damari reads shakes head reads more blows raspberry keeps reading laughs reading reading chuckles
Puts down paper with a grin
Damari Épouse de Lucius Ferry & EoE
My friends call me ~Silence
CBK
Take a look at your blog. Why did you give Wynd 25,000 coins in the Hall of Severence unless to prove a point? To quote that entry:
“My childer…
…are not objects.
…are not pawns.
…do not need to be “controlled.”
…have their own opinions and thoughts.
…have feelings.”
If you have nothing to prove why this entry?
And no I do not have a war conference right now, but thank you for once again showing concern for my activities. Now it is your editorial and you have a right to post whatever you would like to, just like I have a right to post my reply as well. If you do not feel the need to defend yourself then why reply to me in the first place?
Seyda
Actually, that post was a warning to any potential suitors to ANY of my childer what I WILL do if they step out of line regarding them. A threat. Not me saying, “Oh woe is me, someone said something I don’t like. Let me go correct it.” There is none of that in that entry. Now, if you have doubts as to whether that is a threat or not, then I challenge you to step up to the plate and take a crack.
Seyda
Then when you (general you, not specific you) make your replies, make them with what information you feel isn’t accurate (which, honestly, since I’m not involved in the war and just speculating, by its very nature none of it may be) and leave it at that. Take the chest beating and the “I have nothing to prove” manure and leave it at home. Or in the bedroom. Whichever is more appropriate.
aqeldroma
It’s an even fight not because of your prowess alone, but because both sides have a lot they are bringing to the field. It’s also just one battle in a long war that’s been going on for almost three years, of which there is still no one “victor.”
-AQelDroma Queen of Heorot wife of Capadocious
CBK
Let me get this straight. You give your childer coins in the Hall of Severence as a threat to someone else? Right. Challenge me to take a crack at what? One of your childer? No thank you, I am happily married.
Seyda
No, the post you referenced was the threat. Please, try to keep up.
evilive
Really? That being… ?
CBK
If I referenced the wrong post, that means that there was a right post too, which is the one where you give the Wyndcryer 25,000 coins in the Hall of Severence to make a point and thus defend from whatever slander might have come your way. Is that better?
CBK
As this is not going to go anywhere, I will stop replying. Just one thing though, I am not into chest-beating. :P
Ravana
I am honoured, o queen, that you have deigned to take time out of your busy schedule to patronise me. It is indeed a pleasure.
Ravana Yggdrasil
Ravana
Of course I am questioning your definition. You just happened to pick the one that suited you out of a whole pile of available defintions. I note that you cannot and do not fault my amendment.
I don’t see the relevance of your rather bizarre challenge, I’m afraid. I said you lacked in the intelligence or strategy departments - I manifestly did not say you were stupid.
As to shutting up, we are merely exchanging pleasantries. We both know that there is only one way either of us is going to shut up.
Ravana Yggdrasil
Ravana
Don’t make me come over there shakes fist
Ravana
O queen, we must cease these trysts forthwith - people will talk.
Ravana, Yggdrasil
CBK
It seems you are very stupid if you do not understand my challenge. It is rather simple. Even if your definition of a bully is correct, you still cannot call us bullies because we never perceived anyone to be weak, nor did we go out and start bashing our enemies. Therefore even your definition of a bully does not apply to us. Hope that clarifies it for you. I tried to explain it as simply as I possibly could.
CBK
Actually I have decided to stop myself because no matter what I say you will still twist those words around to make it suit yourself. But since you still want to talk about it, I will ask you once again. Why did you give Wyndcryer 25,000 coins in the Hall of Severence if not to prove a point? It is a very simple question, I do not know why you have not answered it so far. And I have had people contact me as well, but I do not feel the need to point that out in order to make myself look better. Whatever floats your boat though.
Ravana
My dear, I am a classically trained warrior of the old school. The idea of deliberately disadvantaging oneself in combat to make it more “interesting” is entirely alien to me. To me, fighting is about one thing: victory with honour. Enjoying it is of no benefit, and is actually detrimental. One should do one’s duty with an evenness of mind.
It is clear that there is much I need to learn about the ways of this city.
Ravana Yggrdrasil
Pandrora
To the best of my knowledge, I have never said anything about deliberately disadvantaging oneself. In my opinion attacking only those who are weaker and only for the purpose of victory is not all that respectable.
On a separate note, it seems I hear the term “classically trained warrior of the old school” quite often, and yet I have no idea what this actually means. If it is what I think it sounds like, then I’m sure you will agree that a fair fight is more “honorable” than one that is heavily skewed to one side.
However if “old school warriors” are more interested in squishing cockroaches than a challenge that would showcase their abilities… well… then I’m glad I’m not one of them ;)
-Pandrora Regent of Heorot
Seyda
And perhaps the reason that I’m not answering you is because I a: am smart enough to see the easy manipulation here in your attempt to get me to defend my actions and b: because you have nothing to do with the situation with my daughter.
Now, other than the childer in question, the only two pires that have any stake in that matter and as such I would HAVE to defend myself to would be her sister and my wife. They are more than aware of the whats and whys of that situation. Now, unless you’re trying to tell me that you’re a skirt wearing St. John, I really feel that my bloodline’s business isn’t any of yours.
evilive
There is still no one victor… yeah sure ;) That will be, til you get to win ONE, right?
Ravana
Well said, milady. I shall try to explain what I mean: I have little choice in when to fight and not to fight. Honour dictates. It matters not whether the opponent is a mouse or a monster. One must do one’s duty. And if one must fight, one must do so with an even temper. One must resist triumphalism when fighting the mouse and conquer terror when fighting the monster, caring not if one falls, for all life is eternal. Honour over blood. This is the way of the kshatriya.
Ravana Yggdrasil
Ravana
Sir,
as you have resorted to mudslinging, I think it is best that we save our talking for the battlefield. Aut vincere aut mori.
Ravana Yggdrasil
Seyda
I’m glad you decided to stop yourself, because the more you try to make a point that makes no sense regarding my childer, the more people are contacting me laughing about how I unzipped your head and jumped right inside.
So, this is the best choice you made all night.
aqeldroma
How about “til the last one standing.”
Didn’t your clan collapse under you, old man? I am still standing.
-AQD
evilive
I can see your deeply evil plans now, old woman… You just plan to bore everyone to death so you’ll be the last one standing… Amazing. A true Conqueror indeed. But it’s OK, I understand you, there’s nothing else you could go for, with hope for success…
Oh and, on a clarifying note, no Clan of “mine” collapsed… I never owned a Clan. Only overinflated egos like yours, Cap’s, Luc’s, think of Clans that way. I just had the chance of leading for a while, the Clan I was part of… But don’t worry, I won’t expect you to understand such concept.
evilive
points applauds She DOES know how to read!